Neocolours

{sigh again} You're twisting my words again. Straw man argument again. Some things cause definite harm to people. Like shooting them. Some things do not. Like owning a gun. Get it straight! Ugg, I give up. I say I'm right, tons of people say I'm wrong. Lots of information, some good, some not, flies...

There is a difference between actual murder and attempted murder. That difference is usually incompetence on the part of the criminal. But with responsible ownership, the difference can be a gun instead.

Then quit posting so fast!

"Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator." Fact: Guns as self-defense are only useful in 0.1% of cases. Fact: Gun control websites never cite how many innocent people die due to the "defensive uses of guns". Fact: That...

I'm certain the percentage of gun crime where innocent people die is far larger then when someone actually gets saved. Gun crime creates more problems then it solves. Incorrect. The vast majority of "gun crime" in the USA has a career criminal (usually gangster) as both the perpetrator an...

No, those are the stats.

6% of people who resisted with a gun were injured.
25% of people who did not resist at all were injured.
Etc.

Beats me. I do have statistics on number of shots fired versus numbers of successful self defense cases with a firearm. Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator.87 This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed tha...

Double-checked, and it was injuries only, deaths not counted. Fact: You are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun. In episodes where a robbery victim was injured, the injury/defense rates were:249 Resisting with a gun 6% Did nothing at all 25% Resisted with a...

You also totally sidestepped my question - you say that banning personal ownership of anything on moral grounds is wrong, yet I will assume that you were primarily thinking about gun ownership and that even you would draw the line somewhere. If morality is not a valid reason for banning ownership h...

No, that was to Illuen. I really don't feel like quoting. {sighs} I really should stop arguing with liberals. I used to argue with conservatives, but that went equally badly. "But, but, but, that gay guy from canada! Niggers invented AIDS! Baby rapists!" *sighs* Liberals are just as bad, u...

*Sigh*. And now it degenerates into completely random observations and absolutely ridiculous statements. Digging up people, indeed. Police statistics keep track of what happens. Everyone just read the goddamned book and check the sources. http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4.0/GunFacts4-0-Scree...

The news only covers violent crimes, because that's all people want to hear about. Right here in PA, a school shooting was stopped by a restaurant owner who had a legally concealed handgun on him at the time, while at a school assembley. Untold lives were saved. No one was shot or killed. The guy ju...

So, you would say that killing a rapist, in order to prevent an immenant rape, is "murder," rather than justifiable homicide? That's your choice, then. Sadly.

And I suppose you want the bank robber bleeding to death after some wonderful citizen shot them? Robbers do not deserve to die, ever. That's your own moral choice. But would you inflict that choice on everyone else? "Less-lethal" devices are much less effective at stopping lethal force th...

If they were good shots? Yes. Absolutely. 30-something % (too lazy to look it up) of people who comply with a criminal are injured or killed anyway, compared to less than 10% who fight back with a gun. Look at it this way. A knife-weilding rapist is threatening you or a loved one or whatever with de...

How many police per capita are there in your world? 1 per 1? 1 per 2? 1 per 3? How fast are their response times? 1 second? 2? Maybe 3? In the real world, there are maybe a dozen police per small town, and their response time is 10 minutes. In big cities, there are hundreds, but their response time ...